Saṃyutta Nikāya - The Connected Discourses

Connected Discourses on the Undeclared: SN44:9 The Debating Hall

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1 Atha kho vacchagotto paribbājako yena bhagavā tenupasankami; upasankamitvā bhagavatā saddhiṃ sammodi. Sammodanīyaṃ kathaṃ sāraṇīyaṃ vītisāretvā ekamantaṃ nisīdi. Ekamantaṃ nisinno kho vacchagotto paribbājako bhagavantaṃ etadavoca: 

2 "Purimāni, bho gotama, divasāni purimatarāni sambahulānaṃ nānātitthiyānaṃ samaṇabrāhmaṇānaṃ paribbājakānaṃ kutūhalasālāyaṃ sannisinnānaṃ sannipatitānaṃ ayamantarākathā udapādi:  ‘ayaṃ kho pūraṇo kassapo sanghī ceva gaṇī ca gaṇācariyo ca ñāto yasassī titthakaro sādhusammato bahujanassa. Sopi sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu byākaroti:  "asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno"ti. Yopissa sāvako uttamapuriso paramapuriso paramapattipatto tampi sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu byākaroti:  "asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno"ti.

3 Ayampi kho makkhali gosālo … pe … ayampi kho nigaṇṭho nāṭaputto … pe … ayampi kho sañcayo belaṭṭhaputto … pe … ayampi kho pakudho kaccāno … pe … ayampi kho ajito kesakambalo sanghī ceva gaṇī ca gaṇācariyo ca ñāto yasassī titthakaro sādhusammato bahujanassa. Sopi sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu byākaroti:  "asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno"ti. Yopissa sāvako uttamapuriso paramapuriso paramapattipatto tampi sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu byākaroti:  "asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno"’ti.

4 Ayampi kho samaṇo gotamo sanghī ceva gaṇī ca gaṇācariyo ca ñāto yasassī titthakaro sādhusammato bahujanassa. Sopi sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu byākaroti:  ‘asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno’ti. Yopissa sāvako uttamapuriso paramapuriso paramapattipatto tañca sāvakaṃ abbhatītaṃ kālankataṃ upapattīsu na byākaroti:  ‘asu amutra upapanno, asu amutra upapanno’ti. Api ca kho naṃ evaṃ byākaroti:  ‘acchecchi taṇhaṃ, vivattayi saṃyojanaṃ, sammā mānābhisamayā antamakāsi dukkhassā’ti. Tassa mayhaṃ, bho gotama, ahu deva kankhā, ahu vicikicchā:  ‘kathaṃ nāma samaṇassa gotamassa dhammo abhiññeyyo’"ti?

5 "Alañhi te, vaccha, kankhituṃ, alaṃ vicikicchituṃ. Kankhanīye ca pana te ṭhāne vicikicchā uppannā. Saupādānassa khvāhaṃ, vaccha, upapattiṃ paññāpemi no anupādānassa. Seyyathāpi, vaccha, aggi saupādāno jalati, no anupādāno; evameva khvāhaṃ, vaccha, saupādānassa upapattiṃ paññāpemi, no anupādānassā"ti.

6 "Yasmiṃ, bho gotama, samaye acci vātena khittā dūrampi gacchati, imassa pana bhavaṃ gotamo kiṃ upādānasmiṃ paññāpetī"ti? "Yasmiṃ kho, vaccha, samaye acci vātena khittā dūrampi gacchati, tamahaṃ vātūpādānaṃ paññāpemi. Vāto hissa, vaccha, tasmiṃ samaye upādānaṃ hotī"ti. "Yasmiñca pana, bho gotama, samaye imañca kāyaṃ nikkhipati, satto ca aññataraṃ kāyaṃ anupapanno hoti, imassa pana bhavaṃ gotamo kiṃ upādānasmiṃ paññāpetī"ti? "Yasmiṃ kho, vaccha, samaye imañca kāyaṃ nikkhipati, satto ca aññataraṃ kāyaṃ anupapanno hoti, tamahaṃ taṇhūpādānaṃ vadāmi. Taṇhā hissa, vaccha, tasmiṃ samaye upādānaṃ hotī"ti.

Navamaṃ.